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Everything You Wanted To Know About Interest Rates

Craig Harris
President:
Harris Capital Management, Inc. CTA
March 17, 2004

This article is part of a series of questions and answers. To catch up on questions already answered please refer to my archives.

In this essay I'm answering questions 1 and 1A.

Question 1) When are interest rates going to begin to rise and what will the catalyst be? Will the short end rise first due to FED tightening or will the long end rise first as a reaction to the dollar slide or perceived economic strength?

Question 1A) Sooner or later, interest rates will rise. What will the likely result of rising interest rates be?

Before I get started on interest rates, I'm going to say that the prediction of interest rates in my opinion is without a doubt the most difficult thing to do in finance. Almost no one can do it... and maybe I can't either. I have a history of accurate predictions but I am often early with those predictions. My point being that I tend to have a very long time horizon. I don't have any interest rate positions on at this time unless you consider being short the US dollar an interest rate position. I would also like to say that my conclusions are worrisome and I actually hope I end up being wrong, but I do think I've said a lot of important things in this essay.

I think the most fundamental thing for me to say regarding interest rates is to read some of my other answers which can be found here. The reason I urge this is because I believe that if you have any hope of getting the interest rate question correct, you have to have a comprehensive and accurate world view. That's why interest rate prediction is so hard. There are so many variables involved. Interest rates really are at the root of all financial market speculation and investing.

I'm going to start by itemizing my known knowns.

1.) Interest rates are the most fundamental financial engineering tool there is, period. Interest rates are like the gas pedal... when the FED lowers interest rates it's like pushing the gas pedal on your car. Alternatively, you can think of interest rates like the strings on a puppet (sorry, you are the puppet). Think of the monetary base as a big fire hose. The financial engineers can direct that fire hose (a fire hose of capital) in whichever direction they want by the relationship of interest rates (and other incentives) to the economy. For example, right now, the fire hose is pointed at real estate and at the share market. It's pointed there because both a bond investment and a savings or money market account investment, or cash under your bed offer a negative real return. Because of this, THERE IS A TREMENDOUS DISINCENTIVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SAVE OR HOLD CASH. There is a very strong inducement for you as an investor or speculator to take on more risk and seek a higher return by investing the money in real estate or the share market. RETIREES AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO BUSINESS SPECULATING IN STOCKS ARE DOING JUST THAT because they have no viable other source of income... watch the puppets dance. Interestingly, as the fire hose has been pointed in this direction, both the share markets and real estate have become overvalued, which is what I mean by puppet strings. If you'd like, you can use a more modern term and call it social engineering. By creating a lack of viable alternatives, by default the financial engineers are directing you by remote control to point the money hose where they want it to go. They create the money by a stroke of the pen... and offer incentives and disincentives for you to point the hose where they want it pointed... they are pulling on your puppet strings, which incidentally is why Rothschild said...

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws" -Meyer Rothschild

The reason he said that is because when you control the money you are in control of the puppets, just like I discussed above... the world is your puppet. Meyer Rothschild makes a strong case that if you control the money, you control the world. I agree with him completely. Here's another interesting point... the quote above is from a long time ago, before derivatives were invented. If you "care not who makes the laws" on a cash basis, and then you have the 98% leverage of derivatives available, you're really not going to care. Think of it as control of money on steroids.

I always think to myself what kinds of things are said behind the closed doors of powerful people... you might hear Greenspan say behind closed doors... "wanna see me make people invest in the stock market again even though they just lost most of their money a year ago in the biggest bubble of all time???" ­ Poof- Fed Funds 1%. Like magic the share market goes from boom to bust to boom again.

So... to net this out, the fire hose has been pointed into the share market and real estate and it has created new bubbles in order to "rescue" the economy. I think that's a very straightforward and easy to understand analysis.

2.) VERY LOW INTEREST RATES OFFER A STRONG DISINCENTIVE TO SAVE, AND AN INCENTIVE TO SPEND AND TAKE ON DEBT. This is another puppet/string situation... and once again you are the puppet. In spite of the fact that the actual cure for some of the current economic problems is for the government and public to save and reduce debt, exactly the opposite incentive has been introduced for the simple reason that the modern financial system has evolved to rely on ever increasing levels of debt and inflation to sustain itself. Why would you save when you have a negative real rate of return and your savings are worth less every day? Why wouldn't you buy that car you can't afford when you can finance it at zero percent interest even if you're already in debt up to your eyeballs? So you see, unfortunately the financial engineers have created a situation whereby you as a consumer are being manipulated to do the exact opposite thing you need to do for your personal well being in order to ensure long term growth and prosperity for the economy... (so they say). An alternative way to look at this is that THE FINANCIAL ENGINEERS HAVE CREATED EXACTLY THE ENVIRONMENT THEY NEED TO CREATE THE ILLUSION OF PROSPERITY IN THE SHORT TERM AND A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN IN THE LONG TERM... FOR THE REASON THAT THERE ARE FINITE LIMITS TO HOW MUCH DEBT YOU CAN TAKE ON AND HOW MUCH INFLATION IS NEEDED ON THEIR PART TO INFLATE YOUR WAY OUT OF THAT DEBT.

3.) We are in an environment where a rise in interest rates could be catastrophic for the economy. A RISE IN INTEREST RATES COULD CAUSE BOTH BUBBLES (THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE SHARE MARKET) TO COLLAPSE... consumer confidence and the economy would then quickly follow suit, and the people pulling the strings know that.

4.) We are in an environment where if Greenspan raises interest rates before the elections it would be catastrophic for his job security. Although the Federal Reserve is a private corporation, the position is highly politicized.

5.) The US dollar is one of the lowest yielding major currencies as I write this. This provides a strong incentive for US based market participants to invest in foreign currencies and for foreigners to be loathe to hold US dollars because they can get higher interest rates with similar risk outside the US. IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, THE US DOLLAR HAS BEEN DECLARED BY THE FINANCIAL ENGINEERS TO BE THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB. Interest rates are being held artificially low to keep the US economy from collapsing but that draws capital out of US investments and into higher yielding overseas investments. The idea is that that's the lesser of all evils, and that something in the financial equation has to be a sacrifice in order to achieve the primary goal of preventing a deflationary collapse. If all that is true however, if you are following this you would ask... if this is the case, then what foreign entity is keeping the US afloat by buying US assets? The answer is... the Japanese are effectively monitizing US debt as they print up yen out of thin air and buy US treasury bonds which in Central Banker talk is a "win win". They keep the Yen down, the Dollar up and solve the problem of too many US dollars floating around. The reality is that this is yet another illusionary measure that does not correct long term systemic problems. That said however, Japan has recently indicated they are going to stop selling yen for dollars. If this is true, it leaves a gaping hole for the US. Either a new foreign entity would have to step in to fill the void, or else interest rates would rise to the point where the void was filled to attract enough foreign capital to fill the void. This is one of the wildcards going forward.

6.) THE COMBINATION OF ARTIFICIALLY LOW INTEREST RATES AND IT'S EFFECT ON THE US DOLLAR EQUATION I DISCUSS ABOVE, ALONG WITH THE RAPID EXPANSION OF THE MONETARY BASE WHICH ALSO KEEPS INTEREST RATES ARTIFICIALLY LOW IS A VERY POTENT INFLATION GENERATOR. In fact, I'd argue that it's the most potent combination for the creation of inflation you could possibly have. Interestingly, if you run a household, you see that inflation but it does not show up in the Governments numbers, and that is by design. The financial engineering plan requires inflationary actions but the appearance of inflation would cause problems. So, the FED HAS ADOPTED THIS POLICY OF TALKING ABOUT DEFLATION TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO GENERATE INFLATION to save the system. Interestingly, people who call themselves economists are paraded on TV all day long with the notion that inflation is "no problem,", and at the same time, the price of gasoline is making all time highs, healthcare costs are going up at double digit rates, home prices are in the stratosphere, the CRB index is making new highs, home insurance is skyrocketing, college tuition is skyrocketing, the price of everything is going substantially higher... and we are told that there is no inflation by people that are supposedly economists. It's time to think for yourself. One last thought. Gold is the traditional inflation barometer. If you wanted to create the conditions for inflation, but to mask that inflation from the market participants in every way possible, what would you do? I know what I'd do... I'd make sure I kept my financial engineering foot on the price of gold.

So WE HAVE COME TO A TIME WHERE THE SYSTEM'S FUEL IS EVER INCREASING LEVELS OF DEBT AND SUBSTANTIAL INFLATION. WITHOUT EITHER, THE SYSTEM WILL FAIL. Some say that guarantees the ultimate end game is collapse as it becomes mathematically impossible to reconcile the personal and government debt burdens. The hope of the Financial engineers in the shorter term however, is that if they talk about deflation, that will reduce the expectation of inflation and thus reduce the actual inflation and the perception of inflation... and guess what? So far it's working. For example, if the bond market collectively realized that real inflation was much, much higher than reported by the government, interest rates would soar, stocks would decline, the US dollar would go higher, the Trade deficit would go higher and the economy would collapse. There's a lot to digest there... read that twice if you need to because it's critical to understanding the big picture.

7.) The Financial engineers are going to be loathe to either raise interest rates or even allow long term interest rates to rise. In my estimation everything possible is being done to keep rates artificially low, using every trick in the book and then some. Remember when the 30 year bond was eliminated? That was a slick move because it eliminated the supply. When you eliminate the supply of something, if the demand remains anywhere near constant, what happens? If you get out your supply demand charts you will see that the price goes higher. When bond prices go higher, interest rates go lower. This is an example of one of the many "emergency measures" being used to keep long term interest rates artificially low.

8.) A fiat currency with no intrinsic value relies on the fact that it pays interest to be attractive. The less interest it pays, the less attractive it is. Interestingly, as the fiat money in the US has been printed at a rate much greater than the growth of the economy, you would expect it's value to go down... and it has... both in terms of the interest it pays and it's status among it's peers (the other fiat currencies). As the money is piling up... it is becoming increasingly worthless and you are seeing that happen in real time. Ultimately, you would expect that interest rates will have to rise to compensate holders of the debt (today's money is debt) for the increased risk, but I think that event is further down the road, and would happen only after the share market and or real estate bubbles collapse, shattering the illusion of a healthy recovering economy.

So knowing all of that above, what do I think about the future? I think the financial engineers are slowly painting themselves into a corner. They find themselves in a position now where interest rates are very low, and any rise in interest rates would be a disaster for the real estate bubble and the new share market bubble. In other words, if they allow interest rates to rise this fragile, mostly illusionary "recovery" is going to melt away... and they know that. Furthermore, as they hold interest rates down, this is causing a big problem for the US dollar... the falling dollar has been deemed to be the lesser of evils, so it's taking the fall, but at some point the falling US dollar will become a problem. I guess my overall point is that as I said above, the unfortunate reality is that this "system" has grown to be fueled by debt and inflation. Without debt and inflation the system runs out of gas and the whole thing comes down. It's a precarious situation, and a situation that does not argue well for the long term. How much debt can consumers pile on? How much debt can the government take on? How big and for how long can the current account deficit be sustained? As foreigners continue to own a greater and greater percentage of US assets, at what point does the USA become irretrievably mortgaged out to the rest of the world?
The problem is this... the US economy has gone from being solid and strong in the 50's and 60's to a house of cards in 2004. IN THE PAST SEVERAL DECADES, THE US HAS GONE FROM MAKING TO BUYING, FROM SAVING TO SPENDING, AND FROM LENDING TO BORROWING. As a result, the economy has changed from a production based economy to a consumption based economy. Former manufacturing powerhouses like General Electric now make the majority of their revenue in financial services. Furthermore, the currency has lost it's intrinsic value. THE US HAS BECOME THE HIGH COST PRODUCER OF GOODS AND SERVICES (the opposite of what you want). The public has gone deeply into debt, the government is running a one year deficit of nearly 750 billion dollars using the Accrural method of accounting (which the government doesn't use in spite of the fact that they require business to do it that way). There is this notion that I don't think any of the FED members actually believe, that the US economy has transformed from a "manufacturing economy" to a "services economy". I would argue that is a ridiculous notion for the simple reason that IF YOU COULD BUILD A SUCCESSFUL ECONOMY BASED ON SERVICES AND CONSUMPTION, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT AND WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE IN ARGENTINA DRIVING NEW SUV'S AND GETTING FOOT MASSAGES AND MANICURES RATHER THAN DIGGING THROUGH DUMPSTERS TO FIND FOOD when their currency collapsed. THE NOTION THAT YOUR ECONOMY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL NOT BY MAKING THINGS THE REST OF THE WORLD WANTS, BUT BY BUYING ON CREDIT, SHAKING MONEY BACK AND FORTH, AND CONSUMING IS AN INSULT TO MY INTELLIGENCE and it would be an insult to the intelligence of the US congress when they hear Greenspan say that... if they had any intelligence... but that's another essay.

A healthy economy produces things that people want and are willing to buy, and they are willing to buy those things either because they can't produce those things themselves, or because you can produce them more cheaply (ie the same reason nearly everything in Wall Mart comes from China today).The basic idea is that you make those things and sell them for a profit. That's how the US got to where it is today, and now this ridiculous notion of a "services economy" is being used as a smokescreen for an economy that is an illusionary house of cards waiting for a strong wind. The interesting thing about this part of my essay is that it argues that China has it right and the US has it all wrong.

So THE POINT IS THAT THE "HEALTH" OF THE ECONOMY HAS BECOME A FINANCIALLY ENGINEERED ILLUSION. Things seem ok, but it's like a castle that seems to be made out of rock which is really made out of paper mache... when the illusion evaporates, there's nothing underneath to hold it up and prevent a catastrophe.

Now with all that said, here's my best guess for an interest rate forecast. I believe interest rates on both the long and short end will be held low..artificially low, for a long time..certainly into 2005 if you ask me... for the simple reason that if rates are allowed to rise, the mostly illusionary recovery would have to face the prospect of declining home prices and share prices. WHEN INTEREST RATES DO RISE, THE REAL ESTATE BUBBLE WILL DEFLATE AND THE SHARE MARKET WILL DEFLATE. AT THAT POINT WE WILL EITHER HAVE A GLOBAL DEPRESSION OR A FIAT CURRENCY COLLAPSE AND HYPERINFLATION. My money is on hyperinflation for the following simple reasons.

1.) every fiat currency ever invented eventually failed... when it did you had hyperinflation

2.) the Financial Engineers have a very convenient way of preventing deflation... it's called a fiat printing press. The prospect of a deflationary collapse will be met with printing presses running 3 shifts... If they print enough money to ward off deflation, the US dollar will become worthless. Worthless money equals hyperinflation. When the world's only superpower and owner of the worlds reserve currency faces hyperinflation, the global financial system is at risk.

"I CAN'T DENY THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM MIGHT COLLAPSE." -Alan Greenspan speaking in Berlin Jan 13, 2004

I always feel more comfortable with a conclusion reached by simple, uncomplicated analysis.

Now, excuse me, it's time for my massage and then I'm going out to buy a new SUV with no money down and zero percent financing... then stop by Wal Mart to buy some stuff made in China to max out my new credit cards... then I'm going to eat a half gallon of ice cream while I criticize the rest of the world.

Craig Harris
President
Harris Capital Management, Inc. CTA
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